Comments on: Violence, Gun Rights, and Compassionate Progressivism http://www.thedefendersonline.com/2010/06/30/violence-gun-rights-and-compassionate-progressivism/ A civil rights blog promoting informed discourse on issues of race, justice, equality and democracy. Wed, 25 Jan 2012 18:11:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Eric M. Deadwiley http://www.thedefendersonline.com/2010/06/30/violence-gun-rights-and-compassionate-progressivism/comment-page-1/#comment-6522 Eric M. Deadwiley Wed, 07 Jul 2010 02:22:43 +0000 http://www.thedefendersonline.com/?p=14050#comment-6522 Mr. Muhammed has done a great service for those of us demanding that the country that undeniably injured black and brown people for over 400 years, help repair the damage no matter what the cost. We are living in an age of "Greed and Corruption" which is un-rivaled in the annals of history. The Prison Industrial Complex is a multi "Trillion" dollar a year business. I agree that Jim Crow policies have been resurrected to fuel unemployment, despair and eventially high crime. However, Jim Crow derives from a practice a thousand times more insidious than it. When a person is convicted of a crime they become "Branded" by laws and statutes which restrict their growth in society. There are presently over "81million" ex-offenders in the United States of America today. The ancient 16th century practice of "Civil Death" is the proper term for this condition. Every person convicted of a crime in the U.S. is actually convicted to a "Life Sentence" of not only Imprisonment, but restrictions and exclusions from employment, housing and licensure. As Mr. Muhammed uncovered, when whites were the predominant ones committing crimes, the white social forces of that time sympathized with their need to be rehabilitated, redeemed and ultimately forgave them for their offenses. Infact, in the late 1800's until the early 1900's pardons were utilized much more often than they are used today to relieve the white offenders of the civil death penalties they faced as a result of their conviction. In the early 1800's we did not have the technology to disseminate criminal conviction information accross state lines, as a result, convicted people would just relocate to another state or town which had no knowlege of the offense. Civil Death Penalties are destroying communities of color. Eric M. Deadwiley, Author: "Civil Death in New York State: How New York State Utilizes Criminal Conviction Records to impede the Economic Growth of Formerly Convicted People" Mr. Muhammed has done a great service for those of us demanding that the country that undeniably injured black and brown people for over 400 years, help repair the damage no matter what the cost. We are living in an age of “Greed and Corruption” which is un-rivaled in the annals of history. The Prison Industrial Complex is a multi “Trillion” dollar a year business. I agree that Jim Crow policies have been resurrected to fuel unemployment, despair and eventially high crime. However, Jim Crow derives from a practice a thousand times more insidious than it. When a person is convicted of a crime they become “Branded” by laws and statutes which restrict their growth in society. There are presently over “81million” ex-offenders in the United States of America today. The ancient 16th century practice of “Civil Death” is the proper term for this condition. Every person convicted of a crime in the U.S. is actually convicted to a “Life Sentence” of not only Imprisonment, but restrictions and exclusions from employment, housing and licensure. As Mr. Muhammed uncovered, when whites were the predominant ones committing crimes, the white social forces of that time sympathized with their need to be rehabilitated, redeemed and ultimately forgave them for their offenses. Infact, in the late 1800′s until the early 1900′s pardons were utilized much more often than they are used today to relieve the white offenders of the civil death penalties they faced as a result of their conviction. In the early 1800′s we did not have the technology to disseminate criminal conviction information accross state lines, as a result, convicted people would just relocate to another state or town which had no knowlege of the offense. Civil Death Penalties are destroying communities of color.

Eric M. Deadwiley, Author: “Civil Death in New York State: How New York State Utilizes Criminal Conviction Records to impede the Economic Growth of Formerly Convicted People”

]]> By: Constructive Feedback http://www.thedefendersonline.com/2010/06/30/violence-gun-rights-and-compassionate-progressivism/comment-page-1/#comment-6491 Constructive Feedback Sun, 04 Jul 2010 00:45:45 +0000 http://www.thedefendersonline.com/?p=14050#comment-6491 Muhammad: Your analysis proves frustrating to me. In your attempt to show that "White folks TOO have murderous crime and violence" as you make an equivalency to take the heat off of the situation today you fail to make note of the institutional realities that are present today as you make your racial indictment. Today - more than ever before - the Black community's institutions are controlled by FAVORABLE PEOPLE. The Blacks and Progressives of whatever color have put these people into power. Instead of holding the forces that control these institutions accountable - you choose to continue with the racial indictment. When I listened to Otis McDonald of Morgan Park Chicago - he indicated that he voted for both father Daley and son Daley - the present mayor. The very mayor that suppressed his 2nd Amendment rights. I refuse to allow you to make such a card trick. For some reason Daley and the rest of the Chicago machine were good enough for the balance of Black people to vote for. WHEN, Brother Muhammad do you acknowledge the complicity of the Black establishment figures in retaining these ideological and partisan relationships with these forces that you claim are failing us? The unintended (or many intended) consequence of your argument is - regardless of the power that we have over our community you will always escape the accountability for the end results because you are merely going to make some indictment as a means of disrupting the inspection that your governance and economic theories need to be made to withstand. Muhammad:

Your analysis proves frustrating to me.

In your attempt to show that “White folks TOO have murderous crime and violence” as you make an equivalency to take the heat off of the situation today you fail to make note of the institutional realities that are present today as you make your racial indictment.

Today – more than ever before – the Black community’s institutions are controlled by FAVORABLE PEOPLE. The Blacks and Progressives of whatever color have put these people into power. Instead of holding the forces that control these institutions accountable – you choose to continue with the racial indictment.

When I listened to Otis McDonald of Morgan Park Chicago – he indicated that he voted for both father Daley and son Daley – the present mayor. The very mayor that suppressed his 2nd Amendment rights.

I refuse to allow you to make such a card trick. For some reason Daley and the rest of the Chicago machine were good enough for the balance of Black people to vote for. WHEN, Brother Muhammad do you acknowledge the complicity of the Black establishment figures in retaining these ideological and partisan relationships with these forces that you claim are failing us?

The unintended (or many intended) consequence of your argument is – regardless of the power that we have over our community you will always escape the accountability for the end results because you are merely going to make some indictment as a means of disrupting the inspection that your governance and economic theories need to be made to withstand.

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